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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffHappySwordsman Date: Mar 12, 2013 4:21pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: What is the copyright status of "Fighting Bill Carson" (1945)?

I don't have a copy of this film, rather, I have a digital copy of a 1951 television episode contained extensive clips from the film*, and as such I need to know the copyright status of the film. Any help will be appreciated.

*Some idiot in the early 1950s decided to heavily edit some b-westerns down to 22 minutes, add 4 minutes of some old guy hosting them, and put it on television....this was before some smarter person decided to sell the complete films to TV.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffVideo-Cellar Date: Mar 12, 2013 10:37pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What is the copyright status of 'Fighting Bill Carson' (1945)?

A number of 1930s Republic crime and action programmers only exist in cut down form (50 mins for hour-long TV slots). The super smart people at National Telefilm Associates lost the longer cuts and original negatives for some.

But, on the other hand, some clips of lost silent films only exist because of their inclusion in TV clip shows. So you win some and you lose some.

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Poster: katieq Date: Mar 17, 2013 6:11pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What is the copyright status of 'Fighting Bill Carson' (1945)?

you are incorrect they are 53 minute versions NOT 50!

you are losing your edge (oh wait you never had it) as
Republic never made 50 minute edits, the format was always 53 minute edits for a 60 minute time slot on TV

Katieq

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffVideo-Cellar Date: Mar 17, 2013 9:10pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What is the copyright status of 'Fighting Bill Carson' (1945)?

The point of the post is not the amount of time the cuts run for. Although most of these prints end up running to about 50 mins when mastered for PAL video - which tends to be the format I use.

The point of the post is that the longer versions of some of these films have been lost due to the release of the TV cuts. Your rather obtuse nitpicking about exact running times doesn't change that pure and simple fact.

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Poster: Freddie Jaye Date: Mar 12, 2013 4:48pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What is the copyright status of 'Fighting Bill Carson' (1945)?

And today we have idiots who take a 2-hour film, chop it down to ninety minutes, and then cram it so full of commercials that it fills a three-hour TV window. Some things never change, I guess...

This post was modified by Freddie Jaye on 2013-03-12 23:48:01

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Poster: oldbones Date: Mar 12, 2013 5:07pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What is the copyright status of 'Fighting Bill Carson' (1945)?

Registered;

FIGHTING BILL CARSON. P. R. C. Pictures,
Inc., c!945. 6 reels, sd.
Credits: Producer, Sigmund Neufeld;
director, Sam Newfield; original story and
screenplay, Louise Rousseau; music director,
Frank Sanucci; film editor, Holbrook N
Todd.
P. R. C. Pictures, Inc.; 31Oct45;
LP13658.

and renewed

R557438.
Fighting Bill Carson. By P. R. C.
Pictures, Inc. 6 reels. © 310ct45;
LI3658. National Telefilm Associates,
Inc. (PWH); 17Aug73; R557438.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffHappySwordsman Date: Mar 12, 2013 6:23pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What is the copyright status of 'Fighting Bill Carson' (1945)?

That's a shame. Thanks for the reply though.

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Poster: oldbones Date: Mar 13, 2013 3:28pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What is the copyright status of 'Fighting Bill Carson' (1945)?

You are welcome.

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